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  • Figured we really, really need this. I know that 90% of you are absolutely beautifully marvellous and patient people, and the other 10% are also people who are beautifully marvellous and patient 90% of the time,  but I know that certain people are going to continue to come here just to complain about the book wait, or have a bad day and want to let off some steam.  And I don't want it to bleed all through the wiki, like it has. So I'm going to make this a place where we can rant and rave and complain all that we want without disrupting cool theories or lovely discussions. 

    ... This'll also be the place where we can share what we know about book three. Questions that we really want answered, release date buzz, etc. It doesn't all need to be negative.  We're all fans here, after all. :)

    So from now on, I'm going to start deleting comments, replies, or topics that are discussing the wait time of book 3*, or are complaining about Pat himself, unless they are posted on this forum.  Deal?

    • And, yes, that will include positive comments as well, such as "Pat should take all the time he needs," etc. One doesn't need to be there without the other.
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    • I just want a proper release date to look forward to...

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    • such true... much wow... 

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    • Good Post Topic!

      I haven't looked into Rothfuss' books for some time. However, with the new Auri book out I felt it worth taking another look at the series. 



      Rothfuss is becoming Kvothe in his first semester. Highly successful, he's taken on more classes (projects) than he can actually accomplish. Rothfuss, like Martin, writes Low Fantasy. That is to say, there are elements of High Fantasy in these stories, but largely these are unintentional satirical authors. I've heard Martin's books called "Trailer Trash Wars": wars and hardships conducted through irrational and indiscriminate passion without true aim that idealizes inhumanity. Rothfuss, however, seems to idealize and simultaneously mock, youth and novelty. His heroes are villains. His villains are heroic, but tragic. The immaturity of his characters and their ignorance, for lack of perspective, of the long term consequences of their actions is what made the story so fascinating. 



      Unfortunately, Rothfuss' books have a certain momentum. They don't slowly plod along. They meander toward a foregone conclusion. It's literally like reading of someone falling on a sheet of ice. There's no surprise with the outcome. The drama and significance goes to the content of the occurrence. Simply stated, Rothfuss has had 9 years to publish a trilogy that was supposedly completed before the first book hit shelves 9 years ago (2007).



      The loyalty to this author, for many, has evaporated. Rothfuss has tried to make his books into a business. There's good reason for him to cash in on this for financial reasons. He has been highly successful. However, that success has removed him from perspective with his own image. Had he never said all three books were finished before publication began there would be far less surprise with the rate of publications. However... at this point one has to suspect the only reason for this lack of publication in all these years comes down to conflict with his business model and personal lifestyle. He has no obligation to ever publish this book. He does have an obligation to his family. 



      So, think the quiet option slowly brewing amounts fans is this: it's also right. Rothfuss has decided to step up into the G.R.R. platform. This way he can reap the long term rewards of just milking the hype about him for however so long it lasts. He avoids the inevitable complication of not publishing anything after that because it would require writing again. He's a hobbyist writer. This isn't his passion. 

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    • A while ago I found some articale saying the realese would be the summer of 2016 and god I hope it is true

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    • I could not agree more with the long post above me. There is a difference between being patient and this. This is just getting ridiculous.

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    • Go read some Brandon Sanderson, he's much better.

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    • When I first got into fantasy about 4-5 years ago I made a conscious decision not to read ASOIAF or Kingkiller until (at the very least) the date for the last book being released was in sight. I've heard a lot of hype about Kingkiller, and hope that it turns out to be as awesome as I hear it is.

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    • YoungBard wrote: When I first got into fantasy about 4-5 years ago I made a conscious decision not to read ASOIAF or Kingkiller until (at the very least) the date for the last book being released was in sight. I've heard a lot of hype about Kingkiller, and hope that it turns out to be as awesome as I hear it is.

      I hope your still alive when DoS releases lol

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    • I just want pat to give some sort of update once in a while. That way I wont need to search through the internet every 2 or 3 weeks trying to find an article that mentions anything about a possible release date. I seriously wish I hadnt read his books a few years ago... this wait is making me go crazy!

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    • I don't know if this is considered complaining? But is anyone else here dying of curiousity of the order of days in a span? Pat mentions them here and there, the most often mentioned is Felling, and I was wondering if anyone took the time to put all the mentioned days together? In order? Because Rothfuss does give us some context clues as to which day comes before so-and-so. So... am I alone in this? 

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    • 11 days in a span.

      4 spans in a month.

      8 months in a year.

      359 days in a year.

      7 days of high mourning per year.

      The days are: Luten, Shuden, Theden, Feochen, Orden, Hepten, Caenin, Felling, Reaving, Cendling, Mourning.

      The months are: Thaw, Equis, Caitelyn, Solace, Lannis, Reaping, Fallow, Dearth (then High Mourning).

      The moon's synodic period is 72 and 1/3 days.

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    • 72.44.222.238 wrote:
      11 days in a span.

      4 spans in a month.

      8 months in a year.

      359 days in a year.

      7 days of high mourning per year.

      The days are: Luten, Shuden, Theden, Feochen, Orden, Hepten, Caenin, Felling, Reaving, Cendling, Mourning.

      The months are: Thaw, Equis, Caitelyn, Solace, Lannis, Reaping, Fallow, Dearth (then High Mourning).

      The moon's synodic period is 72 and 1/3 days.

      Hey I know this is correct, but can you source it for me please?

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    • I didn't understand, is it a hint about the release date?

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    • DoS has not been released yet.

      There is no update on DoS by PR.

      Usually there is a gap of up to one year between finish and publication date.

      DoS will not be published this year.

      DoS will not be published before July 2017.

      Presumably later.

      Fuck.

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    • Has anyone offered to give the guy a hand?

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    • G-man794 wrote:
      Has anyone offered to give the guy a hand?

      Hell, I'd give him a hand job if he'd just finish it.

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    • STILL. NOTHING. I understand that charity is important but I really want him to stop blogging about goats and get back to finishing the book (god - that sounds even more heartless when typed out than it normally sounds just circulating in my brain).

      Pat Rothfuss has taught me that my once-believed 'boundless patience' does actually have very real limits.

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    • In the meantime, go read Joe Abercrombie's The first law trilogy. One hell of story people!

      (Can't wait till The doors of stone though *ugh such a long wait)

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    • I know patience is a challenge at the best of times.  I have a differing view on The Waiting:

      - The Lord of the Rings was written from 1937 to 1949 and then published all at once over a one year period from 1954-1955.  So JRR Tolkien took 12 years to write and then published in one year.  Patrick is writing incredibly complex books of stories within stories that all seemingly roll up into One in a completely different world.  THANKFULLY, he published as he went.  I would much rather have this story in my heart right now, unfinished, than not know of it while he worked away at it in complete obscurity.

      - Consider this Waiting, like waiting for fruit to ripen, wine to ferment, or Foreplay.  :)  Some things can not be rushed, nor would we want them to be...

      - Do we think an author who writes about the Heart of Stone, the Alar, the Ketan, The Amyr above the iron law for the Greater Good, dogs that bark for hours saying nothing, is not a person who also ponders deeply on the Truth of Things?  The Truth of Things takes time, quiet, a blocking out of the outside world, a balance, and a vision of the Greater Good. Sky and Sunshine! Let's give him that.

      - Lastly, I recall reading a blog from another fiction writer who expressed dismay and shock that her fans wrote asking for additional books on certain characters, or to just keep going, or... and on and on.  It's easy to forget in this age of Consumerism, where customers are right, and the masses are gathering a coherent power to speak, that just because we ask, does not mean it will be so.  Storytelling is a very old art, that ultimately comes from the heart.  It cannot be forced or cajoled, shamed or bullied.  When the story is ready and when a storyteller is compelled, then the time is Right.  Until then, go outside and Play!  :)

      With kindness and respect

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    • After finishing book 2 of the Kingkiller Chronicles and then discovering that the third book wasn't out yet I was a bit disappointed (I just recently discovered the seriers, and had no idea of the huge popularity) but,  what I am more upset about is the fact that I can't get Kvothe out of my thoughts. I love this character, I haven't had such a crush on a character since  Len Deighton's Bernard Sampson, lol.  Anyway, great books, great story telling. I am now a fan. Take the time you need Patrick Rothfuss on book 3; I know it will be well worth the wait.

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    • Hurry. I have read the first 2 books about 8 times... Give or take 1

      I was one of the unlucky people who caught on to the series just before book 2 was released many years ago

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    • i just hope he releases it before 2020.

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    • i doubt it though

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    • A list of things he is waiting for...

      -Game of thrones to wrap up (speculation)

      -The film to be finished (speculation)

      -Trumps impeachment (he actually said this)

      I know he does not owe the fans anything... but come on man! How many times can you watch Moana? How much time can you spend live streaming computer games? No book 3 updates but you can buy Tak or even a replica Caesura for a few hundred dollars. 

      In case anyone missed it, PR accidently leaked a page from book 3... again, Patrick Rothfuss accidently leaked a page from book 3...  Someone captured a screen shot and shared it somewhere (Reddit I think). Rothfuss had the nerve to compare the leak (his fault) to being touched without consent (again, Rothfuss leaked it!)... Poor Rothfuss! He feels he has been sexually abused because a few fans saw ONE page. I love his books but can not respect him as a person. I know he does a lot of charitable work and other good guy stuff...... BUT TEHLU MAN, comparing that leak to being raped. What a whiny little b*tch! 

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    • To me the story is complete, that is to say that aslong as the third book isnt out the story ends at the secound. Pat should have as much time as he needs to finish his book beacuse they are his art and nobody eles. When the third book is realesed i shall inhale it and hopefully its a breath of fresh air but until then i will still breath and enjoy the storys he has shared.

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    • Pat should take as long as he needs.....he should just know it has been 6 years and I am slowley dieing inside

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    • Pat is holding out for money. Getting Lin Manuel Miranda to do the screenplay for him.  He is holding out to build excitement and still have new content to release at his will. I would not be surprised if the screen version of this is out before the third book is... purely for profit reasons. The book has been complete and under revision for years. George RR Martin effect. Money and marketing giving the readers (ie the original fans)  the short end of the stick.

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    • i have decided not to buy the 3rd book.  i will wait till it appears in a second handstore to ensure you recieve no profit from its sale from me :D

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    • It's SO. BIZARRE. that people feel so entitled to the fruits of someone else's creative process that  - if the artist doesn't create things according to someone else's arbitrary timeline and sense of desire - they become enraged and begin telling themselves (and others!) stories about how the artist is actually a greedy villain plotting to make bank off their impatience or whatever. Seriously, like, he doesn't fucking owe you anything; and he'll write his gd book at whatever fkin pace works for him.

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    • All audiences feel entitled to a story, especially a good one. Feeling entitlement towards a story or character means that the audience feels personally attached to it in some way. As we all know, Rothfuss has personalized these characters, brining them to life to such a degree, that we know them, we love them, we worry for them. They have become precious to us, and in that vein, we feel not just a vested interest, but deep concern for them in our hearts. Rothfuss has woven an intricate tale, full of mystery and intrigue, and much like Qvothe himself, with kernels of Truth. We yearn for that truth, much like Qvoth's troupe yearned for Arliden's song of Lanre and the Chandrian. He doesn't want to share the song until it is finished, until it is perfect, but the troupe feels sorrow and anxiety anyways. We will continue to demand a song, and Rothfuss will deliver it too late, even if it is on time.

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    • The comment above talking about the way he is waiting for the movie to be filmed before the book is released purely for profit gave me a pit in my stomach . I love these books but this guy is a grade douche . I like david Bowles music is doesn't make him any less of a weirdo.

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    • Maybe the third volume was scarfed by WannaCry, and he has to start all over again .. Like someone else, I'll wait for volume three to hit the second hand bookstore. In the meantime, if you are looking for something to read, Robin Hobb has some excellent books...

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    • It's getting to the point where I'd be just as happy to read a fan fiction to close out the series and be done with it.

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    • Okay, while I understand the comments about consumerism, and feeling entitled, and this being a hobby of his, not a profession... This is just ridiculous! If he's going to do it, he needs to do it. If he's not, he needs to stop pussyfooting around, and say he's not going to make the third book. The only other book I waited this long for, the Author was in her 70's when she finally finished it. Mr Rothfuss has no excuses for this. If a 70-year-old woman can put out her 7th book, then a 40-something man can put out his third in a time frame that doesn't drive people mad. I haven't even LOOKED for an update on the third book in a year, and at this point, I'm almost ready to drink away the memory of this story, and forget it ever existed, like I would for any teasing hussy.

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    • I search the internet once every couple months or so for news on the release of DoS. I've been doing this for 6 years, and every time I do this search, about the best news I can find is "making progess, fuck off".

      So, I'm gonna vent in this thread, and do exactly that, and probably 3 months from now poke around on the internet again, probably to be told "maybe next year, fuck off".

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    • I didn't want to believe it at first... but I think it is a good moment to slowly move my bet to the "2020" mark. Haha... (sigh) u_u

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    • I can't believe someone said Brandon Sanderson is better...

      Consider reading the The Demon Cycle series of books by Peter V. Brett. It's not as intricate in some ways, but more intricate in others.

      The complaint: Kvothe is a bit too clever and skilled. He's the kind of person, I'd be sure to hate in real life... until I see his interactions with someone like Auri.

      I recommend reading The Slow Regard of Silent Things.

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    • I created an Outlook reminder back in 2015 based on a thread in Goodreads that DOS would be out in August 2017.  That reminder just went off today and it was (obviously) too soon.  Guess I'll reset the reminder for August 2018.  I've bookmarked this wiki in the reminder so I'll come back next year and see if anything's changed then. 

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